Comments on: In Putin’s Russia, Shooting the Messenger https://www.russian-untouchables.com/eng/2013/02/in-putins-russia-shooting-the-messenger/ - Thu, 23 Dec 2021 07:55:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Comparison Sergei Magnitsky & Hans Smedema cases! | Hans Smedema - Vechten tegen het onbekende https://www.russian-untouchables.com/eng/2013/02/in-putins-russia-shooting-the-messenger/comment-page-1/#comment-2737 Sat, 08 Feb 2014 14:20:53 +0000 http://https://russian-untouchables.com/eng//?p=8525#comment-2737 […] Browder – Putin and Medvedev both deny the corruption case and refuse to start a fair official investigation! Instead they start accusing Sergei Magnitsky who being dead can’t defend himself anymore! Also mr Browder suddenly(!) gets charged with having betrayed the Russian tax system! See also art. New York Times In Putin’s Russia, Shooting the messenger! […]

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By: DLD https://www.russian-untouchables.com/eng/2013/02/in-putins-russia-shooting-the-messenger/comment-page-1/#comment-1090 Fri, 01 Mar 2013 15:16:41 +0000 http://https://russian-untouchables.com/eng//?p=8525#comment-1090 I am glad Mr. Browder & others from Hermitage took the initiative to push for passage of Magnitsky Acts. The legislation is needed. It just needs a small tweak. Mr. Browder & Hermitage did good! :-)

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By: DLD https://www.russian-untouchables.com/eng/2013/02/in-putins-russia-shooting-the-messenger/comment-page-1/#comment-1089 Fri, 01 Mar 2013 15:06:31 +0000 http://https://russian-untouchables.com/eng//?p=8525#comment-1089 People native to western democracies tend to be very judgmental of people involved in Putin criminal conspiracies. It’s an ignorant approach. It’s a natural instinct for all humans to do whatever we must to survive. While I’ve survived a death squad the last 7 1/2 yrs, 14 of my pets didn’t. I’m nearly out of money making basic security tools like alarm central station monitoring no longer affordable, so my daily routine involves many very unorthodox things done to slow down the carnage. My situation is being studied by those that need to know. Studying death squad methods doesn’t save lives. It could save others’ future lives, but when you’re the lab rat your own life is destroyed! Putin’s death squad that includes foot soldiers for just over a year from the Aryan Nation (notable b/c the local boss is Jewish & I’m a natural blond…but my problems erupted over a business dispute) recently murdered another dog. The digg only turned 9 this winter. I paid for an autopsy. The results were she died from asbestosis. I bought a newly constructed house in 1998 that isn’t in a flood zone. It was fully redone in 2010. The dog moved in with me 6/6/11. Dogs don’t contract asbestosis. They die of something else before they could ever contract asbestosis. My dog was murdered! What manifested as asbestosis to a Medical Examiner came from exposure to a toxin other than asbestos & mold from the death squad. This was the 7th pet to perish this way. The choice to do it to dogs indicates homicide, but had it been done to a human asbestosis would have been dismissed as a naturally occurring illness. Like with the former murders a death squad member found an open liquid container to put drugs into to chemically depress me to want to commit suicide. The drugs hadn’t yet dissolved & this time I wasn’t drugged as intended. Life is not a dress rehearsal. You only get to do it once. No one wants to live this way. Anyone that can’t be coerced will live this way so long as Putin is in power. They’re oppressed. They’re victims! If they don’t cooperate the FSB poison factory will be unleashed on them & those they love. Putin is about revenge killings. What I am realizing is that the Magnitsky Act strengthens Putin’s crime machine because it lacks the necessary exclusions to embolden coerced people to whistle blow against Putin. They’re annexed in Russia forced to live a life of crime they might not want helping Putin abuse the power of his posts to personally enrich himself.

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By: DLD https://www.russian-untouchables.com/eng/2013/02/in-putins-russia-shooting-the-messenger/comment-page-1/#comment-1088 Fri, 01 Mar 2013 14:10:00 +0000 http://https://russian-untouchables.com/eng//?p=8525#comment-1088 No one should forget this information to leak-out at the end of 2007: http://m.guardiannews.com/world/2007/dec/21/russia.topstories3. None of Putin’s civil servant jobs came close to paying enough salary to have personally amassed $ 40 billion!
We need to mold our minds to think of people coerced under Putin as being victims. If the coercion involves them forcibly receiving any benefit they then become targets for blackmail & can be coerced over & over again to commit more crimes. Stuck on Russian soil within Putin’s jurisdiction locks the victims into the Putin crime machine. Those coerced need to be able to defect knowing western democracies will protect them in exchange for the valuable information they can provide.

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By: DLD https://www.russian-untouchables.com/eng/2013/02/in-putins-russia-shooting-the-messenger/comment-page-1/#comment-1087 Fri, 01 Mar 2013 13:35:46 +0000 http://https://russian-untouchables.com/eng//?p=8525#comment-1087 If you have a couple of couple of million dollars (for example, $ 10 million) in reserve you more easily survive the death squads, & can enjoy everyday life. Magnitsky Act countries will need to do far better than UK did w/Perepilichny (spelling?). Security sloppiness of defectors discourages future whistle blowing.

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By: DLD https://www.russian-untouchables.com/eng/2013/02/in-putins-russia-shooting-the-messenger/comment-page-1/#comment-1086 Fri, 01 Mar 2013 13:16:56 +0000 http://https://russian-untouchables.com/eng//?p=8525#comment-1086 Finally, outside of Russia it is possible to survive the death squads on little money but your life is miserable! For those whose cooperation is forced as an act of survival, Magnitsky Act laws shutdown their ability after doing what they needed to survive to then defect & share intimate details of the crime with Magnitsky Act countries. On hindsight I’m considering an exclusion needs to be built in to encourage those coerced into participating in a crime to later whistle blow & be able to find safe haven in Magnitsky Act countries. The written exclusion would encourage whistle blowing & give western nation intelligence agencies valuable information about Putin’s crimes against the Russian and other populations.

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By: DLD https://www.russian-untouchables.com/eng/2013/02/in-putins-russia-shooting-the-messenger/comment-page-1/#comment-1084 Fri, 01 Mar 2013 05:02:58 +0000 http://https://russian-untouchables.com/eng//?p=8525#comment-1084 I’ve been getting the idea from reading I’ve done that the United Russia Party will only be United for the time Putin controls the death squads. If he should lose control of them the party will break into a load of competing parties. A nation where opposing views are suppressed by death squads controlled by a street thug extending his violent tendencies through the death squads is not a nation that is business-friendly. It’s a nation where if your business is successful the president & his crime ring subordinates will steal your business. If you fight them they kill you.

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By: DLD https://www.russian-untouchables.com/eng/2013/02/in-putins-russia-shooting-the-messenger/comment-page-1/#comment-1083 Fri, 01 Mar 2013 04:42:32 +0000 http://https://russian-untouchables.com/eng//?p=8525#comment-1083 P.P.S. “Putin” crime gang & not likely “Klyuev” crime gang. I’m not claiming Klyuev is “lily white,” but I think had he said no someone else fearful for their life would easily have been found as a replacement & a dead Klyuev still would have been blamed. In the Magnitsky affair there already exists a history to blame people already dead.

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By: DLD https://www.russian-untouchables.com/eng/2013/02/in-putins-russia-shooting-the-messenger/comment-page-1/#comment-1082 Fri, 01 Mar 2013 04:25:42 +0000 http://https://russian-untouchables.com/eng//?p=8525#comment-1082 P.S. What I am getting at is we know Magnitsky & Browder were framed & had false charges brought against them. It’s very simple minded of us to think the deception ended with these acts. Putin’s entire time in power has been marked with forced confessions obtained through torture. Putin has kept the Hague busy until most cases ended with his ordering the deaths of everyone that brought suit in the Hague for civil rights beaches under Putin’s rule. The president of Russia through his control of the death squads could bend just about anyone’s will to secure their cooperation with releasing misinformation. If the theft of Hermitage’s companies originated from Putin as the theft of a Yukos did, Klyuev hadn’t much choice but to cooperate. A refusal to launder the money through his bank would likely have given Putin cause to send the death squads after Klyuev. My own experiences over the last 11 years is that if someone says “no” to Putin he orders their assassination. Putin reacts like a barbarian. He’s not a thinker. He’s incapable of logical thought. He’s just an impulsive power hungry greedy leach killing machine.

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By: DLD https://www.russian-untouchables.com/eng/2013/02/in-putins-russia-shooting-the-messenger/comment-page-1/#comment-1081 Fri, 01 Mar 2013 03:40:30 +0000 http://https://russian-untouchables.com/eng//?p=8525#comment-1081 The more Putin does, the more convinced I become that all criminal acts of notoriety originate from him. Khodorkovsky’s incarceration obviously is the result of a vindictive Putin, but more & more my gut is telling me Putin had most to gain by stealing Hermitage’s companies & he had misinformation made available for Magnitsky to find to make Klyuev for the most part, a scapegoat. Setting up others to blame for Putin’s own crimes has been a recurring pattern during Putin’s tenure & made him very predictable. It’s also become apparent to me that Putin only is in control of Russia because he controls the death squads. Putin maintains control by making all potential threats to his power live in fear of the death squads.

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